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By Akbar on Wednesday, October 11, 2000 - 03:23 pm:

I think inter-religion marrage between Muslium,Hindu and Sikh is acceptable. I feel we should not overemphasize the sterotypes and atrosities of the past generations,because this occurs in all societies. We must make choices that suit us in a modern world. All the people who have posted in the last year are Punjabi's thats the key word "Punjabi", common language unities us. It should not divide us as we will live our lives in countries "foriegn" to our parents.

By Anonymous on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 05:22 am:

I recently attended a diversity conference in Minnesota. The conference was excellent, and the purpose to enlighten those in attendance was met. My collegue and I attended a session on Samali people while we were at the conference. When learning about the terrable life they had before comming here, we were glad they could be safe here. we work arround a variety of people from a large mix of cultures and religions,including muslium. What the speaker went on to tell us has us all concerned for the welfare of the Samali wemen being brought here. It is understandable to have others practice their religious beliefs,however we clearly heard religious laws that will break federal human rights laws in the united states. I along with others intend to monitor the human treatment of these wemen while in the u.s.

By Anon on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 11:39 pm:

Anonymous on Saturday, October 14, 2000 - 12:52 am

You are so right about the mistreatement of women in the third world countries . Recently I read about the horrible female infanticides in India . It seems it has increased now and is affecting the male female ratio in the country adversely. I fully appreciate your concern

Regards

By Passive on Monday, October 16, 2000 - 09:41 pm:

People of all religions are far too angry, think before you speak. I am a muslim male who has sikh brothers aswell as muslim brothers. I would not think of chasing Sikh girls or Muslim girls. If its one thing we have in common it is the importance of respect especially with women in our cultures. And for those of you who blame muslims for chasing young sikh women i would say it might be true. But also that Sikh men and hindu men are just as bad. We are all as bad as each other so there is not point in blaming each other.
Another point is that these women/girls have been brought up following a religion and they will know whats allowed and what would upset there parents but they will still carry on messing around with men from all religious background. REMEMBER it takes two to tango and I think alot of these girls love to tango.

and as for asian men as a whole its embarassing when I have been out with friends and groups of asain men act like dogs chasing women. Do you not feel ashamed of your behaviour. Each and everyone of you whether you are muslim or hindu or even sikh represent your religion if you behave like animals then it is your religion that will suffer. Remember this, every action you carry out always has a direct consequence.

By IVANOVICH on Thursday, October 19, 2000 - 06:31 am:

Anon
why dont you use your name?

If I had the power to stop these Sikhs,males and females,dating and marrying out believe me I would make the Taliban,Pol Pot,Stalin look like clowns.And duh,I did say it was the girls fault too or do you have a reading problem.
It sickens me th@ Sikhs are providing hindus,muslims and blacks with sexual satisfaction,yet my people have no rights under these people's rule back home.It bloody riles me.You liberals think youre f****** smart dont you.
I do not even remotely care about their rights or liberties as I would do away with them if I had the chance but oh no we live in a democratic world,a secularist world,a stupid world where my peoples enemies get away with murder and yet some find it their duty to have sex with your kind.
And who says you or anyone else has the right to tell others they are backward because they do not marry out,your parents are presumably same religion,tribe etc.Are they intolerant?This break with tradition is perverted and disgusting.We Sikhs are in a bad state and when someone takes a stand people like you are ever so quick to jump up and declare us confused,racist.So what,do you think I care if Im backward or if youre ashamed of me?I certainly dont.And I dont think Im racist against Hindus and muslims.You mind your business when it comes to what I think is good for my people,the Sikhs.I believe in peaceful relations between friendly nice sikhs,hindus and muslims but not interbreeding.NO BLOODY WAY.
SIKHS LOVE FOR SIKHS FIRST AND SIKHS ONLY.

By tam on Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 04:51 am:

is incest permitted in islam, if no then they beleive in adam and eve. then how did the world continue

By hardeep on Tuesday, October 24, 2000 - 08:14 pm:

I' m sikh jatt ----- recently started seeing a muslim girl ------- she's gorgous great personality, great mind, great bod! .... need advice from fellow sikhs: is it worth the hassle ?

By Arjun Singh Malhotra on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 04:21 am:

Paki, and Paki power,
I am a Hindu Punjabi and have got blowed off by Paki girls dozens of times. You won't believe how nice they are when you buy them something at McDonald's.
As for Sikhs being dark, what's that fuckin shite you're smoking? And I am definately not dark, so I don't have an idea of what the hell it is that your talking about. If you are talking about low-castes, and chamars, then I could relate. Anyways, I've seen some dark, DARK, mohajirs, Sindhis, and others of your kind, and they could make a kala ape laugh.

Paki Power,
no rightminded Sikh girl would sleep with you.

By Anon on Wednesday, October 25, 2000 - 10:25 am:

IVANOVICH ..

Even if I use a name what difference would it make ?? Or should I use a fake id as urs ?? Or should I use a different handle for every new message ?

"It sickens me that Sikhs are providing hindus,muslims and blacks with sexual satisfaction,yet my people have no rights under these people's rule back home"

Thats a truely broad brush bro .. Are u insinuating that its only the Sikh girls who are doing these kind of things ? Please .. Wake up .This happens across religious and cultural lines.
I fully support your views on Culture and tradition .And yes I am for arranged marraiges (Just look at the rate of Divorce among Love marriages).
But still I never advocate voilence if they defy the tradition . Just throw them out of your home once and for all . I can understand your pain . Sorry about that ..

By Anonymous on Monday, November 20, 2000 - 09:22 pm:

I am Canadian woman who has just started dating a Muslim man. We have been dating for 2 months now. I am learning alot about the Muslim culture. The man I am dating is the most caring/educated/thoughtful man I have dated in a long time. I have read through alot of these (hate) letters and I am disgusted with all of it. I think it takes an ignorant person to write such ignorant things. No wonder we have so much hate in this world. We are all human beings with five fingers, two arms and blood running through our viens. We all have a creator -whoever that may be- so get over it.


Let me just say I am Christian and always will be, nobody will ever change that.


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Anonymous

Pls review and scan pages on our other sections specially on Arranged Marriages and similar.. there is someone like you who was in a similar position.
Good luck

By Dont have another CHEEK Hindu. on Wednesday, November 22, 2000 - 04:39 pm:

Anonymous Canadian Lady.

Watch out Hindus and Sikhs,First the muslims came and Slaughtered us,than the Christians came and slaughtered us,but this time it's gonna be even worse,Muslim and Christians holding hands.

Just one word of advise,lady,Read the history,than you will realise how much destruction both islam and christianity have commited,you have the blood of millions on your hands,and we Hindus have bled more than most,we have never invaded or set foot in another land or conquered other religions.

So please save your words,we are aware of your Tammy Bakers and Jimmy Swaggarts and world Vision,we Hindus have learnt our leassons and NEVER AGAIN.

By JAGGA on Thursday, November 23, 2000 - 06:21 pm:

Kiddha ppl,

Ive been reading a lot of stuff here and all i gotta
say is that ppl should stick with there own religion!
Muslims are out there to convert our sikh girls and
some of those dumb ••••••• who dont know anything
about sikhism actually convert to Islam and marry guys
with half dicks, pig lovers, sister shaggers and
donkey shaggers.

All i gotta say is that u sikh girls arent Sikh u are
SELLOUTS!!!

For the Hindu guy who said us Hindus havent harmed
ne1, u BLIND, DEATH and DUMB!

U lot are the ones who cause the tension and then run
off, u lot are pussys. Afetr what your ••••• of a
leader indira gandhi (HITLER) did in 1986, u have the
balls to say that we dont do any harm to any1.

SIKHS WILL RULE!!!
4EVA!
WARR

By Bandit. on Saturday, November 25, 2000 - 01:30 am:

Jagga....

I agree with you,but the sad thing is that Indra didnt finish her job,KILLING ALL FAG SIKHS,ALL SIKHS.

By neera gabru on Monday, November 27, 2000 - 02:45 pm:

kiddan all
we have seen enough of sikhs and their manipulative ways with which they convert hindu ans sikh girls but now its their turn to face and they'll face cause now jatts are out to take revenge and they'll feel it like the last time when we took the holy swords and what do these half dick guys think just cause we didnt repleid we are week now they'll see what tyranny is and the girls we dont even care bout muslim girls cause they are not good enough to come into our families who have culture but if these girls come begging for help then it is our duty to releive them from the pain they face in islam.

By J.A on Tuesday, November 28, 2000 - 11:51 am:

I agree with SUHAILA that all the hate is in the minds of Indian and Pakistanis who for very obvious reason, which again is reason all around the world WHAT BELONGS TO WHO. Pakistan was created out of a Hindu State. Israel from Palestine. Therefore people who love their history culture religion and would like to look their past with Grace and glory get upset when they find all is not same as suppose to be and they start blaming to whom they think are responsible for shattered dreams. But they should not forget that all cultures and countries are subject to destruction just look at the history.
Now to the ones who have just found new identity and place of their own should not be too proud. They will also be subject to same faith only thing remain is the names of good people no matter where they came from we all give their references every day.
We must start loving people not their colour religion or race I can find many example of this happening out side sub continent we all die one day, have not found any one who has been left to live for ever because of superior race or religion.

By Non-Punjabi for a change on Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 03:07 am:

•••• all Punjabis !
Muslims,Hindus,Sikhs alike !
you guys are mere fatheads who just belive in fighting ! on the net,where else !
In real life, you are mere faggots!
But gotta give it to you, you sure produce some hot sellout girls !
The rest of the world is having a really good time with your fairer product.Ask me or my buddies, and we'll regale you with lotta nice little stories.
gotta go now ........but not before thanking you for what you have gifted to the world ! We all love them - simply put-they are "Cheap and Best".
Thanks once again

By Rajesh on Sunday, December 03, 2000 - 09:54 pm:

Non Punjabi..

You must shop at Garage sales,junk yards and goodwill stores,since you like cheap stuff,I am not saying that Punjubi girls are cheap,but in your case "Flies always hang around a pile of S.H.I.T".Amen.

By neera gabru on Tuesday, December 05, 2000 - 09:54 am:

for the non punjabi
heehhohoho
what do you think your girls are any better hahahahahahah

if you are a hindu in case then you should not forget when mugals were killing you then punjabis where the one who saved you people but you never had any say in yur life

ok so from now on before opening your filthy mouth just think bout these facts.


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By amar singh on Wednesday, December 06, 2000 - 12:49 pm:

these muslims could never defeat us on the battlefield
looks like they get a false sense of satisfaction
by sleeping with and converting a few shameless sikh
girls, I can understand the reasons for thier hatred
It was the sikhs who destroyed thier evil rule in
India , It was the sikhs who frustrated thier designs
of making India a muslim country , they subdued
everyone but a handful of sikhs, no wonder they
hate us.

I live in India and near the border and see everyday
how these pakis get a beating from the sikh regiment.
anyone wants to see that is welcome to be my guest.

By TAJ on Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 01:50 am:

amar singh,what about Hindu 'Punjabis' who wear karrey and act like Sikhs and try their 'Punjabi' charm on Sikh girls,because theres a lot of that happening here.

By Jatt4life on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 08:35 am:

Hey, everyone shut the •••• up

who cares about converting and ••••....you fall in love and marry whoever you want, and stay true to your own religion.....•••• converting, and ••••

btw

Look at what our sikh community in canada is up to...we are the new generation of sikhs

www.eihl.homepage.com

sikhs are the greatest warriors,....nobody else can say they have prduced such great religious scholars, and warriors like the sikhs......so many times we were outnumbered, and we still won battles, and battles......our ninth guru scrificed his life for the sake of the hindu faith because he was against oppression, and indo-nazis like gandhi forget that....we sikhs don't look out for ourselves, we look out for humanity....so there...BOO-YAA...stop this stupid ••••, and get lives you ••••••• pussies....stop talking •••• on the net....if any of you have balls, say it to their face!!!....saying dumb things like 'ohh..my religion is better than yours', or 'haha, your girls are sluts, and you are a fag' over the net are pointless.....grow some balls!!!

By Sharif Ahmed Shaheen on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 12:01 am:

The absurd things you people are writing, just prove the hate you have. History has shown, that in the name of religion many have been killed. But where do Hindus and Sikhs get their information from, on fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and slaying everyone in their path.

I’m not going to quote from any books to argue my point, but let’s think about it for one second JUST using some common sense. Christians claim that Islam wiped out Christianity throughout the Middle East and North Africa with the sword, but can they explain why there are 10 million Christians living in Egypt, and in Iran and Iraq, there small communities of Jews (we all know Muslims hate Jews). If I am correct, we Muslims are suppose to hate other people of other faiths, but how comes these non-Muslims residing in Muslim countries have not been wiped out?

Again the same argument can be used in refuting the absurd myth that Muslim rulers were ruthless against other people of other faiths. It was the British who cleverly managed to take rule of India from the Muslim rulers, not Sikh worriers or any other mythical legend you have been told of! Even British sources tell us that Muslim rulers were the most kind hearted people to rule India, and they even state clearly that it was THEM that caused all the problems after they came and drained India of its wealth and natural resources.

Onto another point - I don’t know why you people hate Pakistanis I myself am a British born Bangladeshi, I’ve been told the awful things that Pakistani soldiers did to my people in 1971, but how comes I’m not bitter? The reason: I cannot blame individual Pakistanis for what their people did.

If you people have some sense, now is the time to change your attitude towards one another, be you Muslim, Hindu, or Sikh

Salam - peace

By Jat Punjabi on Monday, December 11, 2000 - 08:43 pm:

Hey SAS,

So, are you going to deny that Muslim rulers buried 6-7 year old sons of Guru Gobind Singh alive in walls? Are you going to deny that Muslim rulers chopped Sikh children into little pieces and forced their mothers to work having those pieces tied up around their necks? Shall I go on is this enough proof of Muslim cruelty?

By Sharif Ahmed Shaheen on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 02:36 am:

I can not answer for individual Muslims - of course there are bad Muslims, as there are evil Christians i.e. Serbs.

By M.I.Jawidh on Tuesday, December 19, 2000 - 09:17 am:

I'm muslim.I'm 18 year's old.I'm looking ...

xxxdeleted

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By jhat-meri-insan on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 06:19 am:

First of all, in sikhism we are taught that they is no caste. We are all equal. It does not matter if you are hindu, muslim, sikh-jatt-ramgarhia-blah-blah. I lower my head in shame when i read that some "sikh" says "why is that hindu wearing that kara" or "jatts rule" and so forth. First learn about your OWN religon before you say something stupid about another religon..for sikhs are taught that he who believes in caste is not sikh.

By Gurmeet on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 01:35 am:

Hello All :)

I have read most of the views given above. Thanks!! I wish to share a few of my own. I hope they are of use.

None of my views are directed in favour, OR against any community. This is becuase I feel that this is a problem of "MAN with HIMSELF". Its got nothing to do with either religion, women or society.

I am Gurmeet (M/30/Bombay), and have met many wonderful women in my life. I feel that a woman is man's best friend, and vice versa. This relationship can enable both get the most out of life. And sexual satisfaction is just one aspect in this.

I have had affairs with both non-sikhs and sikhs. In both cases, the women have been great. Though when we talked about marriage, the FEAR of disobeying ones culture and family was the major deciding factor.

I feel that, though all humans are the same, if the couple lives in the fear of the opinion about others, and, also does not have a "personal private formula" for life long happiness, then whether they are of the same community OR not, things wont work out for them in the long run.

Its also my personal observation that when girls marry out of community,its mostly becuase they have not got the desired affection from their own community
and also that their own parents have not set a good example of a harmonious lifestyle.

So it is natural that they will look elsewhere for love, recognition and appreciation.

Also as noone is born with a COMMUNITY STAMP on their forehead, I think that one is free to go where one gets LOVE :)

Saying this, I am also aware that there are GROUPS of people who are trying to misuse this scenario to their personal advantage, by TRAPPING such innocent and love-deprived women into their community. I did come across an article recently which sheds more light on this. The URL is : http://www.angelfire.com/ab/farmersboy/nextpage.html

Women have been the target of Mens Ego since time immemorial.

I think that GIVING RESPECT to WOMEN is a Natural Tendency, but we MEN have got conditioned by the FAILURES of our society to go against this.

WOMEN DESERVE TO BE TREATED AS EQUALS, and if we all can do our bit, this world become a better place :)

Thanks for ur time :)
Best Wishes
-Gurmeet
u may write to me at:locate_gurmeet@yahoo.com

By Hinduwarrior on Monday, April 16, 2001 - 01:02 am:

jatt4..shitte, get a fuckin life.
Have you ever heard of the brave and honourable king Akbar, who killed over a million sikhs, a few hundred years ago, now look at yourself and are you surprised that he did that, you sikh's think that you're so brave, but when it comes to war, your run like pigs, becuase your'e kirpan's aren't any good.
you all live in a fantasy world where you rule, go and get a life, and look at reality, your'e being slaughtered everyday in india and pakistan, while you so called "warriors" sit here behind the internet and talk about bravery, shamefull.
Sikh girls are tarts

By SIKH GYAL on Sunday, April 22, 2001 - 06:43 pm:

2 ALL DA SMELLLY PAKIS OUT DER
ALL U MUTHA FUKAZ GO FUK YO SISTA'S OH I 4GOT HOW U GUNNA DO DAT WIT NO DICK
OH WHY U PAKIS WANNA RAPE US SIKH GYALZ IZ IT CUZ RAPING UR OWN MUZLIM GYAL IZ A MISSION WHEN DER WEARIN DER NINJA SUITZ SO U TRY 2 RAPE UZ SIKH GYALZ CUZ U NO DAT WE AIN'T DAT STUPID TO GET WIT U PAKIS U'LL CONVERT US, MARRY US N DEN MAKE US HAVE 15 KIDZ CUZ U WANT YO MUZLIM POPULATION TO INCREASE HOW SAAAAAD CAN U GET
N E WAYZ GOT 2 GO SO TAKE CARE U SMELLY PAKIS N KEEP DREAMIN UR FAMOUS PAKI DREAMZ YEH
C YAAAAAAA

By asfand on Saturday, April 28, 2001 - 05:58 pm:

i want to marry .iam pathan.

By BADMAN on Wednesday, May 16, 2001 - 04:25 pm:

SIKH GYAL lol....you dum •••••! there enough pakies banging you sikh girls :)

The girls with ninja dressing ahaha good for them all respect to them...its not there fault if your half dressed lol

i doubt it if anyone would want you in the first place you cheap •••••

bye

By LASHKER-E-TAIBA on Friday, May 25, 2001 - 07:27 pm:

U ALL INDIANS R MADDERCHODD KI OLAD TAKE A BAMBOO IN YOUR ASSH OLE U BOAR'S S HIT FACE FUC KERS .
COW WORSHIPERS FUC K U ALL HINDUS .ALL HINDUS R •••••• KI OLAD RANDI KE BACHHOO OUR MUJAHIDEEN WILL FUC K YOUR MOTHERS .
LASHKER-E-TAIBA

By tax on Tuesday, May 29, 2001 - 11:20 am:

alll human are created equal..think about it people
if u are sikh be a good sikh..if hindu a good hindu
a muslim be a good muslim...marriages ...relationships are made in heaven
whatever u do on this earth..will be account for .....when the time comes..

By sissodia on Friday, June 08, 2001 - 09:44 am:

lasker toibbbaba ki gannd me indian army ka danda
tobba tobba

By MIZZ K-A-U-R on Thursday, June 14, 2001 - 10:16 pm:

yo ppl DoNt bE A SaUlA WiTh a hAlf CuT LaUlA Be a SINGH wItH ThE WhOlE DaMm tHiNg!!!!!!!!!

YO GUYZ ALL FIGHTIN ABOUT UR LIL RELIGIONS WEN U KNOW DAT SKIHS ARE GONNA BE TAKING OVER YOU WORLD!!!!!!!!!!

By desi person on Sunday, July 01, 2001 - 08:30 am:

u guys make me sick, does it really matter what religion we all have, come on people our forefathers have fought enough of this junk. we all need to grow up and value our culture more than religion, it doenst matter if u are indian,paki, bangladish, - we all are from one mother - one life everyone has, live in peace- that is all i have to say

By amar singh on Monday, July 09, 2001 - 07:37 am:

BADMAN......dont talk about banging sikh girls
come bang us on the battlefield.......we bang ur paki
armies everyday.....want to see it...remember Kargil
how the sikh regiment gave u pakis a beating.....

amar singh

By pwa on Thursday, July 19, 2001 - 02:21 am:

well
wot can i say..sikhs wake up u fools..u aint even got ur own country.u live i n the hindus back garden...wot makes u warriors??
ur religion is based on islam and hinduism...so how can u diss these religions??
who do u fight for..hindus.exactly
oh yeh is there such a thing as sanitation in ur religion
sort ur selves out man..

By amar singh on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 01:49 pm:

pwa.....we live in our own country , India is our
country our land , the Sikh panth(religion) was
created to protect the culture and religion of India
from the attacks of fanatic Islamic invaders, our
origins are in this country we dont live in anyone's
backyard and as regards our religion , it might have
absorbed some good points from Islam but was never based on that faith and with Hinduism we do have a lot
in common because our religion was born here , our
Gurus were Hindus by birth but sikhism has evolved
in to a distinct faith.

so u see we are pretty sorted out....

By Anonymous on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:34 am:

Is Marriage Between Indian Pakistani People Possible?

Why,Why?

By Anonymous on Tuesday, July 24, 2001 - 04:32 am:

Is Marriage Between Indian Pakistani People Possible?

Why?

By Fink_2iCe on Tuesday, August 07, 2001 - 02:47 am:

You people are funny... some interesting reading though. By the way, believe in whoever, whatever.. just don't wage war against each other.
Live in peace and harmony. We should live in unity.. as everyone knows that anything other than unity is.. asking for trouble. Yea, sikhs live in India, Sikhs live in a land where most residents follow hinduism. The rest of the world should look at us as an example. May India remain United..

==Sikh Kid==

By the paki don on Monday, August 13, 2001 - 05:28 am:

To all ya sikh ppl out der keep livin in da hindu's bakgarden cozz urnotin but lo lifes...n abt ur sikh gals well iv fuked inuff n let em go cozz dey a bit 2 bushy 4me u c lolz

laterz u maa chood sikh basterds

By convert on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 04:40 am:

a lot of sikh girls have converted to islam, i think the sikh guys should do the same. historically the sikhs are badass fighters and i think they still are. instead of fighting the muslims you should convert your martial spirit will be welcome bcos every race that has entered islam has added strenght to the muslims. remember when the really hard, tough and fierce mongols entered islam, the whole of russia and eastern europe came under muslim rule!

By convert on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 04:22 am:

the sikhs regard themselves as warriors, but they have never been militarily superior as the muslims have who ruled the largest empire for the longest time! muslims have never claimed to be warriors but militarily they have been outstanding! in comparison the sikhs have never had military superiority yet they claim to be warriors! you may have scored a few home runs against the muslims but only because the muslims were defending against attacks from the hindus, british, french and portugeuse colonial armies!

By convert on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 07:22 pm:

sikh and hindu girls who convert or are thinking about converting are not sellouts. south asian muslims owe their existence to hindus and sikhs, buddhists and jains etc etc who converted to islam and established it in india in our distant past.

By convert on Monday, August 27, 2001 - 06:40 pm:

during mughal period muslim princes would marry hindu women even the common muslim married hindu women. but nowadays hindus object to this practice bcos muslims are considered to be foreighners. during the mughal period they were considered to be natives of india and such it didnt bother the hindus afterall an indian was marrying another indian! you see all south asian muslims are the descendents of hindus who either converted to islam or married in to a muslim family, they are not immigrants, they are as indian as any hindu or sikh!

By amar singh on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 02:28 pm:

paki don....after reading the language of ur post
I have come to the conclusion that u are a scumbag....

and convert ...u say the muslims have had the biggest
empire and vastly superior to the sikhs in numbers
and resources.....u see u said it yourself....

whats so remarkable about the sikhs....inspite
of ur numerical superiority and better resources and
the biggest empire on this earth u muslims could not defeat the sikhs..who were much smaller in numbers , did not have an empire as the muslims did.....it was the sikhs who destroyed the evil muslim rule in India
and frustrated thier designs of making India a muslim
country....a fact no one can dispute....
the evil muslim rule in India.....no one will dispute
this fact....

I think I said it all....nothing more to say...

By mughal on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 11:56 pm:

mr amar singh, the muslims were busy fighting 3 colonial superpowers at the time doing their utmost to protect india from european control. but you souled out and as a result india was lost to the british. with the muslims gone india as a competing industrial and military power was lost.

the muslim ruling class intended to be equal partners with europe. but the sikhs and hindus let them down and betrayed the muslims.

but with so many jealous enemies the muslims lasted a long time. so destroying muslim rule in india is your crowning glory? where are the sikh people now? if not but a dispossessed people with no land to call their own. at least the muslims still have countries of their own and have the potential to be great once more. sadly the sikhs have no hopes of attaining any such glory.

By amar singh on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 08:50 am:

glory we dont seek by killing people, by exploding bombs and by extremism and terrorism.....you muslims
are responsible for all the conflicts in this world

take any conflict from chechanya to kashmir.....they
have one thing in common.....muslims are there....
you will never attain glory.....u will continue
to be punished by the christian west....and by India
in this part of the world....you can never succeed
in your designs......

we will never let u succeed in ur evil intentions...
in that lies our glory and purpose.....

By amar singh on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 08:09 am:

mughal....we dont have countires to call our own
because we did not kill people for religion ...
we did not convert people with force.....

how did the Islamic faith become so widespread...
only because of conquests and forced conversions....
a religion which originated in a small part of arabia
spread all over the world only because muslims
attacked other lands because countries after countries
communities after coomunities were wiped out ....

whats so remarkable about India and the sikhs....
the muslims could not deatroy the faith and ethos
of this country inspite of thier best efforts because
of fierce resistance of sikhs in the north , marathas
in the south and many more resistance movements ....
so we survived........the muslims ruled India for
700 years and with all thier might could not make
it a country of Islam as they dreamed.....

You say muslims were fighting the europeans and other
colonial powers......so the sikhs could not be beaten.. that shows your ignorance of history....the
british and europeans came much later.....at that
time the muslims were the only rulers or should I say
oppressors and tried thier best to wipe out the sikhs
but could not succeed with all thier might and power..

once again .....we do not have countries....the sikhs
ruled a huge kingdom for a long time including the present day pakistan and afghanistan....and large parts of present day India.....if the sikhs had acted
like the muslims.....used force to convert people...
the pakistan and afghnistan of today would have been sikh countries.....moghul go to afghanistan and they
will tell u tales of Hari Singh Nalwa...who crushed
the so called mighty pathans.......

coming back to the point....we dont have lands to call
our own because killing for faith was not in our blood
otherwise we would have had a big country to call our
own......sometimes I feel our forefathers should have
done it.....even after shedding so much blood....we
dont have a country.....but then we would have lost
the mission and ethos of sikhism.....

enough said for the moment....

By 6pak on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 03:08 am:

you people consider yourself as a warrior race is proof enough that you love war and conflict. the symbol of your religion, the 2 swords is proof of your troublesome warring nature. they symbolise your violence and aggression.

By mughal on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 10:04 pm:

the sikhs were the cannon fodder of the british right from the word go. the british beat them and subdued them quite easily, and used them to undermine muslim rule in india.

the only asian race that the british couldnt beat were the afghans, they won both the afghan wars, defeating a major superpower and its sikh and hindu cannon fodder soldiers with great ease. they were the only asians to have never been colonised.

its obvious to me that as warriors the afghans are far more superior to the sikhs who just brag about their largely imaginery victories.

By pathan braveheart on Friday, August 31, 2001 - 09:34 pm:

u sikhs talk of kargil.it took entire companies of indians 2 destroy paki posts,that were manned by as fe as 20 peopl...u call yrslves warriors..read abt the 2 paki soldiers who got the highest military awards,on the recommendation of the indians.thats bravery.v dont brag abt r bravery..when onez opposing armies talk abt onez bravery,thats wat its all abt...evn the indian army officers said paki soldiers wood rathr die than surrender...the only thing u lot r good at is talking,& lying 2 the resy of yr country..ask the indian soldiers who hav fought against us,& dont go by the crap propaganda yr media dishes out 2 satisfy yr so calld regional super-power.
enuff said..
peace 2 all...cuz u dont want war..believ me...

By amar singh on Monday, September 03, 2001 - 06:50 am:

mr pathan braveheart....no one wants war thats right
every one wants peace......and I dont want to go in to
the technical points of mountain warfare.....

believe it or not ....what the Indian army did in Kargil has no parallel in the history of high altitude
warfare.....

and as regards bravery .....there is no dearth of it
here......lets see if u are able to take kashmir within the next 10,000 years....

By Anonymous on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 07:00 am:

Fellas fellas, calm down, there is a forum for this topic. Visit us at this site : http://hindustan.net/discus/messages/211/8232.html?999570495

The great ones rambo,raj,sissodia are all there.

Lots of discussion about history/religion, South Indians vs Northies, Punjabis vs Tamils, Pakis vs Indians, Rajputs vs Marathis, hindu vs islam, its all there check it out!

By convert on Tuesday, September 04, 2001 - 11:31 pm:

hey has anyone noticed the increase in number of people who convert to islam whenever the muslims go to war! it seems like allah is replacing those muslims who perished in conflict.

and does anyone know what happened to the 30 000 american soldiers who converted to islam during the gulf war? i heard they resigned their commission but were are they? have they returned to civilian life to convert their girlfreinds and wives? or are they in afghanistan with bin laden?

By the complete religion on Friday, September 07, 2001 - 03:07 am:

If you study all the religions properly with a nuteral frame of mind you will come to know that all the meesengers came with the same messege but it is we the people who have created different religions. I am a muslim who was a sikh before but islam teaches us to respect all human beings off all races and religions because truth has been made clear from falsehood. worship and obey the one and only lord off the all that exists before death comes to you all. please study all the religions and dont blind follow your parents. worship your creator not creation. the religion that gives all the answers to every single thing in life is islam. it is a complete religion. the rest is your choice and your piont of view but be very carefull of what you say about anyone will your lord be happy with you when you die

By amar singh on Monday, September 10, 2001 - 11:25 am:

my religion is complete too.....I dont need to go
anywhere to find the answers....

By 6pak on Thursday, September 13, 2001 - 01:46 am:

Amar singh!

what solutions does your holy books offer on the conduct of credit, debit and commerce?

what solutions does your holy books offer on the problem of petty crime and organised crime?

what solutions does your holy books offer on alcoholism, prostitution and other related vices?

what solutions does your holy book offer on leaving or entering sikhism?

what solutions does your holy books offer on the conduct of state, diplomacy?

what solutions does your holy books offer on medical ethics and cloning?

are you sure your religion is complete? do you have all the answers from your holy books for spiritual, social, and political life in the 21st century!
please attempt to answer at least one question from the above qouting from your holy books! islam has answers to all the above questions wether you agree with the solutions offered by islam is entirely up to you but at least solutions to problems have been documented, 1400 hundred years ago!

By Rude Bwoy! on Wednesday, September 12, 2001 - 11:06 pm:

hey..i'm a hindu going out with a muslim gurl (pakistani)..and we r getting married nxt month because she is pregnant!! we done it several times before in the university days but i always made sure i was protected..but all of a sudden i found out that she was pregnant!! so as i luv her soooo much..we had to tell our parents and get married!! at first they flipped...but then there was no other way but to get married!! so we all happy!! my family and her family show it..but frm the inside we knw that they r not! so we have decided to buy a separate house away frm them!! she is also interested in Hinduism..so i am having no troubles there either!! she doesn't mind having a hindu name for the child as she wants to 4get her past islamic life!! so guys and gurls...u get sum intelligent ppl out there...e.g. my babe..and u get idiots out there!! oh yeh...those that think paki gurls r ugly...look around more..especially one's from oxford!! truss they have the best bodies eva!!

By glen on Friday, September 14, 2001 - 05:15 pm:

iam glen davis looking for a asian lady for marrage my e-mail glendavis72472@yahoo.com

By pseudonym on Saturday, September 15, 2001 - 01:12 am:

right, listen you folks be it paki, hindu, sikhs or whatever...its time to ditch the 500 year old 'my granda beat yours on the battlefield stuff'..it's all pish!!! while you bicker like girls your respective kids are sewing footballs in Lahore or Bombay for a pittance. if there's one thing i hate it's badly sewn footballs!!!

By Slik Singh on Wednesday, September 26, 2001 - 03:36 pm:

6Pak,

The questions you ask, has quite a simple answer.

You live by the holy quran. You are not allowed to question the quran!

The Sikh holy book is a way of life. We question the Guru Granth Sahib because it has so much meaning and having an open mind will bring understanding. Each word In the Guru Granth Sahib has so many different meanings you really have to be open-minded.

The questions you ask, Why would the Guru Granth Sahib talk about Business and trade, why talk about Crime, Why talk about Prostitution, Why talk converting, why talk about cloning and medical ethics.

Sounds like a way of teaching how to keep everything in the family.

What will these questions bring to your understanding?

What solutions does your holy books offer on the conduct of state, diplomacy? Respect is the answer to that!

What solutions does your holy book offer on leaving or entering Sikhism? We don’t convert! Not leaving and entering there are no doors for this as Islam has! People who enter Sikhi do it to be truthful to them self. People are not forced and we do not find ways and means to convert people. We are born a Sikh and then convert to an Amritari by CHOICE.

Hope this has answered your questions Truepak.

Maybe you should question your quran, Before you try understanding the Guru Granth Sahib and the way our living Guru lives life.

If I have not answered you question’s I suggest you ask jeeves.com

Weheguru Ji Ke Khalsa
Weheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Slik Singh

By Ravi on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 12:22 am:

hey hey hey, you go slick singh... nice answers for 2pak. I am a hindu, and I believe in my religious very much. I got some answers and some questions for you 2pak.
your question: what solutions does your holy books offer on alcoholism, prostitution and other related vices?
Answer: My religions doesn't even talk about it. Hinduism in older than Islam. It was the first religion of World. It doesn't even allows premarital sex. Where was your religion when a group of policeman Raped about 15woman in Pakistan in market in front of everybody?? Those women had to die becuase they were raped?? They even didn't do anything and had to die. Where was your religion when your 65 year old prophet Mohammed married a 13year-old girl just to increase the population?? Where was your religion when these muslims crased two planes in world trade center and one plane in Pentagon killing over 6500 americans?? You idot, convert to hinduism, it's so much peace in this religion then Islam.
I have seen 90% of Muslims who are just after thier religion. They want every body to convert to muslims. Why can't you muslims mind your own business and leave everybody. You guys are sick by your religions. I think all islam does is brainwash people and teach them that it's the best. it limits their thinking. I don't even talk to these 90% muslim. I am in USA right now. I never saw muslims in India getting hard time becuase they are muslims. But Hindus in pakistan get very hard time just becuase they are hindu. They are forced from every way to convert to islam. They get discriminated also. Can any of you muslim answer that why hindus in pakistan suffer so much?? becuase you ••••.
Proud be Hindu, Sikh, Christain, but suk to be muslim.
ravi.

By Slik Singh on Wednesday, October 03, 2001 - 01:34 pm:

Ravi,

Somtimes brother people can only take so much!

I have about the same idea as you about Muslims. I dont disrespect them for no reason. I do have a few muslim friends. I know that a muslim is never wrong and offers millions & millions of sermons and stories on the great creator, God.

The answer is simple 'why doesent other holy religous books offer solutions and thoughts on prostitution, alcholism, Rape etc etc. The answer is because we are not muslim and you cant except we are different this is why all the world who are non muslims are questioning the Koran in regards to being brainwashed and limited thoughts.

Let me just say Sikhi is a way of life, we are not limeted to how much we think but infact have to keep an open mind in understanding.

Slik Singh

Weheguru Ji Ke Fateh
Weheguru Ji Ke Khalsa

Slik Singh


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